Mr. Xiang Wenbo participated in the transcript of CCTV's "Dialogue" program

How can China's equipment manufacturing industry seize the opportunity in the new layout of the global economy?
Source: CCTV Economic Channel

It is the mother machine of the national economy, it is one of the industries with the strongest economic driving capacity, the introduction of the "planning" can make the equipment manufacturing industry account for a higher share in the new layout of the global economy, the "dialogue" special program "economic hot spot face-to-face" invited Cai Weici, vice president of the China Machinery Industry Federation, and Xiang Wenbo, president of Sany Heavy Industry, will give you an in-depth interpretation of the "equipment manufacturing industry adjustment and revitalization plan".

Moderator (Chen Weihong): Thank you for coming, this is "Economic Hotspots Face to Face", and welcome everyone to watch our program.

In today's program time, we will continue to interpret the ten major industrial adjustment and revitalization plans with you, and today we want to focus on the equipment manufacturing industry. When it comes to this word, many people may feel that it seems to have some distance from our lives, in fact, it plays a very important role in the national economy, because in the whole industry, it has the title of "industrial mother machine", and plays a role in the economic chain, because it can not only provide a lot of means of production for downstream industries, but also can form a huge demand for upstream, such as steel, electronics, non-ferrous metals, etc. Next, let's take a look at this short film to understand the industry.

At present, China's equipment manufacturing industry accounts for less than 30% of China's manufacturing industry, which is still far lower than the United States 41.9%, Japan 43.6%, and Germany 46.4%. Affected by the international financial crisis, as well as the constraints of its own development model, the development of the equipment manufacturing industry is facing a series of challenges, * new data show that last year, the added value of the machinery industry above designated size increased by 17.1% over the previous year, the growth rate fell by 7 percentage points year-on-year, and the export delivery value increased by 18.4%, down 15.2 percentage points.

On February 4, 2009, the State Council reviewed and adopted in principle the "Equipment Manufacturing Industry Adjustment and Revitalization Plan", the introduction of the "Plan" will bring what impetus to the development of China's equipment manufacturing industry? Can the equipment manufacturing industry account for a higher share in the new layout of the global economy?

Moderator: I think everyone here today is very concerned about how our equipment manufacturing industry can get a greater revitalization in the next three years, so today we have two users on the scene to make a very detailed interpretation with you. In fact, I want to know, in your eyes, how important is the equipment manufacturing industry?

Cai Weici (Vice President of China Machinery Industry Federation): Everyone thinks that the word 'equipment industry' may be very unfamiliar, in fact, we all may use electricity every day, but this electricity, it must rely on us to equip the power generation equipment provided by the industry, in order to be able to turn coal into electricity after combustion. Each of us wears clothes, but to spin cotton into cloth and cloth into clothing, we need corresponding textile machinery and garment machinery. We now have more and more families using cars, but our car from the steel plate into the body of our car, from aluminum into the shell or wheel hub of some engines in our car, it must provide it with some mechanical equipment through our equipment process, to roll the steel plate into the body, the metal into our engine and various parts. Therefore, it can be said that every link of modern society, these final products are inseparable from a variety of equipment in the production process.

Moderator: In the past, we heard that the equipment manufacturing industry is the 'mother machine' of industrialization and modernization.

Cai Weici: In the eyes of the industry, the work machine is generally understood as a machine tool, a metal instrument machine tool, and it is understood as a machine tool, but from the perspective of the equipment manufacturing industry for various sectors of our national economy, it is true, it is also a machine tool that enables the production of other departments.

Moderator: Can you help us identify, does Sany Heavy Industry next to you count?

Cai Weici: Sany Heavy Industry is of course a very key producer in our people's lives and infrastructure, because their main product is what we all call construction machinery. Construction machinery, the houses where people live need our construction machinery, like concrete mixing equipment, likecraneMachinery, such as our construction of high-speed railways, highways, water conservancy facilities, more and more of these large-scale projects now do not rely on crowd tactics, are all relying on construction machinery.

Moderator: Mr. Xiang as the mother machine of the industry, what kind of mood do we have, are we particularly proud?

Xiang Wenbo (President of Sany Heavy Industry Co., Ltd.): Yes, the host just talked about the equipment manufacturing industry, which is indeed very important to our country, and in fact is a basic and strategic industry of the country. As everyone knows, there was a 'Toshiba incident' in the 80s, and the 'Toshiba incident' was a very big event in the world, because Japan exported an advanced processing machine to the former Soviet Union, which greatly reduced the noise of the submarines of the former Soviet Union, and the United States could not listen to it, and it was no longer able to listen to the Soviet submarines. Later, they soon found out that it was because Japan exported the most advanced machine tools to the former Soviet Union, which greatly reduced the noise of the former Soviet submarines, causing a worldwide political event, that is, the 'Toshiba Incident', which shows the importance of this equipment manufacturing industry to the country.

Moderator: Actually, I think people in the industry must agree with your statement, the equipment manufacturing industry is very important, but in fact, there are many industries in our country, they are also very important, why is the equipment manufacturing industry shortlisted in our top ten industries in the revitalization plan?

Cai Weici: I think, first of all, it really accounts for a significant proportion of our total economy.

Moderator: How big?

Cai Weici: It can be called a pillar industry. The bulk of the equipment technology is the machinery industry, the added value of the machinery industry accounts for about 8% of our country's GDP, if you add the equipment process in electronic equipment and other equipment, together I estimate that there is about 10%, then it should undoubtedly be a large amount. However, the reason why the equipment technology is one of the ten major industries that the country should focus on adjusting and revitalizing, in addition to its large quantity, is because it can achieve the goal of adjustment and revitalization for our other nine key industries, in fact, to a large extent, it depends on whether our equipment manufacturing industry can provide it with the support of advanced equipment.

Moderator: Chairman Cai's subtext is that whoever we want to revitalize can revitalize, and we don't want anyone to revitalize, and if we don't provide it with manufacturing equipment, it will not be able to realize its wishes at all.

Cai Weici: That can't be said either, in fact, objectively speaking, I just talked about the high degree of industrial relevance of our equipment industry, which is reflected here, and our level will affect the industry that we want to equip.

Xiang Wenbo: In fact, we, if we say that the image is a little bit, it is your sentence, that is, the development level of the equipment manufacturing industry, in fact, it directly determines the development level of other industries, if we do not have the revitalization of other industries, if we say that there is no guarantee of the equipment manufacturing industry, it is an empty word.

Cai Weici: For example, take our power industry, the goal of *5655 is to require the use of less fuel to send out more coal, to achieve this goal, we need to improve the level of our power generation equipment, if we take our current power generation equipment and the sixties and seventies are relatively backward compared with the power generation equipment, our power generation equipment unit coal consumption has increased by 100 grams, then this is increased by almost a quarter, a quarter then I can save, the coal consumption will be saved by a quarter.

Industry influence, * new data show that the main business income of China's equipment manufacturing industry above designated size is 11.3 trillion yuan, and the industrial added value is 2.9 trillion yuan, accounting for 24.4% of the national industrial added value and 12% of GDP, at the same time, China's equipment manufacturing industry employs about 21 million people, accounting for 26% of the total number of industrial employees in the country, and the total profits and taxes are 965.1 billion yuan, accounting for 21.2% of the national industry.

Moderator: I remember reading in the textbook that when our country developed 5,656 10,000-ton hydraulic presses, it can be said that the whole country celebrated. You just said that the scientific and technological level of the entire equipment manufacturing industry is developing step by step, if we put it now, we will develop it again, what kind of tonnage level can it achieve?

Cai Weici: The successful development of the 10,000-ton hydraulic press in the early sixties can be said to have greatly increased the ambition of the Chinese, when I was still studying in university. Now I can tell you that the 10,000-ton hydraulic press produced by that generation has now been all updated, or the equipment with a higher level and greater difficulty than this equipment is no longer one or two in our country, but many of them have entered the forefront of the world.

Moderator: In the adjustment and revitalization plan that we have just introduced, has it involved the development of such a major equipment?

Cai Weici: Yes, the 10,000-ton hydraulic press you talked about and I will talk about it later has been updated, we can call it major technical equipment, these major technical equipment is often needed for some of our key construction projects.

Moderator: I believe that in addition to these major technical equipment is an important part of our planning, there are many other highlights, in order to let you know these highlights in a short time, we will ask our president to make a release on the spot.

Cai Weici: I think there are three highlights of this plan:

* 5656 bright spots, relying on the country's key projects to promote the independent innovation of our major technical equipment.

The second highlight is to strengthen our basic processes, basic parts, basic machinery and other basic links by increasing the support for technological transformation and technology research and development, and enhance our internal strength.

The third bright spot is to highlight a structural optimization and upgrading, from such a production-oriented manufacturing industry in the past to this service-oriented manufacturing industry to develop, to change our development model.

I think these three highlights are the guiding ideology of such a plan that we must pay attention to.

Moderator: Just now the president released the three highlights in this plan, but in fact, I have always had a curiosity when I listened, because you told you at the beginning of the program that our equipment manufacturing industry has actually developed very well and is already very strong, but I noticed that you think that one of the highlights in the plan is that we should strengthen the construction of basic parts and strengthen the basic machinery industry manufacturing link. Is it including what screws, what are these that we can't do yet? There seems to be a contradiction in this.

Cai Weici: In fact, we ordinary people may think of this foundation and what is difficult about this screw, but for these high-demand hosts, the difficulty of this basic part is very high. Like now, let's talk about an example, talk about this bearing. Bearings may be said that my bicycle also has balls and bearings, which means bearings.

Moderator: Bearings can still be seen in life.

Cai Weici: What's so difficult about that?

Moderator: That's right.

Cai Weici: But let me give you an example, for example, like our wind power generation equipment, this wind power generation equipment weighs dozens of tons, it is erected on a tower tens of meters high, if this bearing once there is a problem in the operation process, you have to remove it, replace it, repair it, it will cost hundreds of thousands, not to mention the loss of power generation caused to the power grid, if you repair it again, it will be terrible.

In recent years, with the rapid development of our country's major technical equipment and the main engine, the contradiction that the basic parts do not meet the requirements of the main engine has been highlighted. Therefore, the reason why we have put forward the strengthening of the foundation as one of the three very important guiding ideologies in this plan is to talk about such a current situation.

Moderator: Mr. Xiang, why do you think you should emphasize the construction of basic parts?

Xiang Wenbo: The basic parts are actually the carrier of the core technology, if we can not make a breakthrough in the basic parts, in fact, our core technology is in the hands of others. Basic components actually determine the level of development of this industry. For example, now we put the excavator in front of us, if the quality of its steel is not good, your power rod will crack, or even break, not to mention this diesel engine, it is equivalent to the heart of our human body, if you say that your heart is not good, then this person can not have a healthy body.

Moderator: Just now we all mentioned the bearings in the basic components, and today we also invited Mr. Shao of Wafangdian Bearing Group. How different will the high and low quality of the bearing be in the process of use?

Shao Yang (General Manager of Wafangdian Bearing Co., Ltd.): The bearing is actually like a joint of the human body, just imagine, if this person's joint is gone, then this person, that is, his thinking, then there is no way to carry out his actions. Now in each of our families, probably our daily life is inseparable from an average of 20 to 30 bearings, such as our family's like air conditioners, refrigerators, like our cars, etc., the revitalization of the ten industries, all industries have a very close relationship with bearings, because as a bearing is a basic component, it is not only directly supporting the equipment manufacturing industry, but also directly related to our steel, automobiles, ships, The secondary supporting and service in the operation process of these industries, now our automotive bearings account for only one-fifth of us, of which four-fifths of the bearings are in the daily use and maintenance process.

Moderator: Mr. Jiang, your machine tools must also be indispensable in this bearing, do you have a personal feeling, that is, the quality of our parts may not be high enough, in fact, it is still very influential on our own production, is there such a personal experience, will you be troubled by this?

Jiang Huaisheng (Vice President of Dalian Machine Tool Group Co., Ltd.): It is true that there are a lot of worries about bearings in this regard.

Moderator: What kind of troubles do you have?

Jiang Huaisheng: Dalian Machine Tool Group is the production of machine tool enterprises, just now the host said, we are the revitalization of the equipment manufacturing industry, in fact, machine tools are for the equipment manufacturing industry to provide equipment for such an industry, it needs a large number of high-precision, high-performance bearings. Dalian Machine Tool Group can produce more than 50,000 machine tools a year, more than hundreds of bearings, less than dozens of bearings, so that hundreds of thousands of bearings are needed a year. But here high-precision bearings, our country can not solve the may be able to account for about one-tenth, but the one-tenth of the bearing does bring us a big problem, one is the foreign import price is relatively high, and the other is its delivery time is relatively long, some bearings need eight to ten months to deliver, such a machine tool delivery time is only half a year, the bearing will give us the delivery time to eat all.

Moderator: All.

Jiang Huaisheng: So it is not enough to meet our requirements, so the quality of the bearing performance is directly related to the performance of the machine tool, how high the accuracy of a machine tool can be, it largely depends on the bearing, how long the life of a machine tool is, but also largely depends on the life of the bearing.

Moderator: You just mentioned the import of bearings, maybe it also reflects a phenomenon that we often see in this industry, although we can manufacture a lot of large-scale equipment, but the key components often need to rely on imports, take the bearing we are now concerned about, how much is the annual import volume?

Cai Weici: In this way, in fact, we are the world's largest bearing producer, what is the contradiction now? Our low-end bearings, our capacity is surplus, so we export a large number of bearings, but the requirements are relatively high, such as the bearings of precision machine tools, bearings of wind power equipment, bearings of high-speed trains, bearings of some high-end cars, these we need to import a large number of them, so in terms of general accounting, we have a deficit in imports and exports until last year. Although the entire product of the machinery industry has achieved a surplus, we remember last year that last year's bearings were about 2 billion US dollars in exports, and 2.2 billion US dollars in imports.

Moderator: Let me ask Mr. Jiang, how much does it cost you to import bearings every year?

Jiang Huaisheng: More than 100 million yuan.

Moderator: If the RMB is more than 100 million, will Mr. Shao's 100 million make you tempted?

Shaoyang: Very tempting.

Moderator: How much can we get in this 100 million order, in terms of our current technical level?

Shaoyang: At present, about 60% of our products can meet the spindle bearings required by the machine tool.

Moderator: What are the reasons for the other 40%, which we can't do in China at present, and we have to import them?

Xiang Wenbo: As far as our industry is concerned, all the construction machinery companies in the world have factories in China, and even sell products here, so from the user's choice, of course, they need to choose reliable and good products, and our domestic parts can not fully meet the needs of our customers, so we are forced to import some such imported basic parts to solve this problem.

Moderator: Your business definitely needs to have some imports as well.

Xiang Wenbo: What we regret very much now is that we basically rely on imports for the things we need now.

Moderator: Mr. Jiang, I heard that I was once very, very anxious because of this kind of thing, right?

Jiang Huaisheng: Once we were imported turntable bearings, load bearings, I just said this, the machine tool has done everything, this turntable bearing has not been sent from foreign countries, so we have been waiting, for this matter dragged on for three months, all the machine tools have been installed, and the bearings have been waiting for three months. Through this, we really hope that Mr. Shao will solve the bearing problem as soon as possible.

Shaoyang: Regarding the basic parts of machinery, on the one hand, we have been doing it for many years, which shows that some of our basic parts such as bearings have not attracted a high degree of attention in terms of the speed of development. The second question is what President Cai just mentioned, because of the current host, a large part of the host is an assembly host, that is, I am made in China assembly, and many of the core key components are not made in China, but are equipped with foreign equipment. So how to transition to made in China, it is necessary to start from the parts, really like Germany, German machine tools now directly claim that all parts are from Germany.

Moderator: We would like to know if there is any content in this revitalization plan, which has been put forward, shall we listen to the introduction of Director Yang?

Yang Lianchang (Director of the Major Technical Equipment Division of the Equipment Industry Division): A particularly bright highlight is the basic components, we are in the third key task, to improve the industry foundation in four aspects, including large castings and forgings, which is also a weak link in our equipment development. The second aspect is the basic components, including bearings, including liquid-tight components, including industrial electronics, and so on. The third aspect is our tools and molds, which are also a part of our constraints. Fourthly, we have some special materials, which we just talked about by Chairman Cai, such as silicon steel sheets, etc., which solve basic problems from four aspects, so as to consolidate the foundation of the entire equipment development.

Qu Xianming (former vice president of the China Academy of Mechanical Sciences): The basic parts seem to be very small, but it is indeed a very complex technology, and people are often easy to despise it, so why the actual problem of the basic parts has been put forward for more than 20 years, has not been well solved, see this time this plan put in such an important position, this is such a major decision in the past years, so I give great hope.

Zhao Ying (Researcher, Institute of Industrial Economics, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences): I have a concern, that is, I also want to ask Chairman Cai, that is, our basic parts are scattered and varied. So as a bearing industry, I understand that its industry R & D and enterprise scale, its own R & D capabilities are OK, but a large number of basic components are small and medium-sized enterprises. How can this problem be systematically solved by the weak capacity of basic research and the development of enterprises on their own?

Cai Weici: As far as the current status quo of our industry is concerned, it is true that there are too many places that need to be taken in terms of system, mechanism and policy. This plan should be said to reflect a policy orientation, and a direction for the government to cultivate resources in the future. In this sense, I think it will be beneficial for us to make progress a little faster.

At the same time, I think that similar to the technical ones, there are many varieties and the quantity is very small, and it also has to play the role of the market itself. For example, in fact, our breakthrough in wind power bearings, to a large extent, is based on the demand for the quantity of our host products, for our bearing factory can be said to be one, I think this is promising, is profitable.

Moderator: Just now everyone is talking about the revitalization of this basic part, but in fact, the basic part is definitely not just including the bearing that we have been talking about.

Cai Weici: Yes.

Moderator: What are the other than bearings?

Xiang Wenbo: I said a very small thing, that is, now we have this, there is an oil cylinder here, the small sealing ring in the oil cylinder, we are now importing this thing, because of its one, our domestic one, its anti-aging performance, its sealing performance can not meet the needs of the host we are talking about. If China's basic parts and components for us have reached the level of *5653, then we can proudly say that China's equipment manufacturing industry has reached the world's most advanced level.

Moderator: Mr. Dong, I know that you are a securities analyst, when you see that the equipment manufacturing industry is going to be revitalized, especially what we have been discussing just now, to strengthen the construction of basic parts, in your eyes, what kind of investment opportunities do you think this industry will have in the future?

Dong Yaguang (Guojin Securities Machinery Industry * Analyst): We also pay more attention to the basic parts of the industry, and then the revitalization plan of the government also emphasizes the revitalization of the basic parts. Let me cite this bearing, the international giant Scaif of Sweden, whose annual sales are about 60 billion yuan. Then let's look at Japan's NSK, it is also five or six billion sales, and we will lift hydraulic parts, hydraulic parts Rexroth in Germany, which is now acquired by Bosch, and its annual sales are more than 60 billion yuan. That is to say, the actual sales of these giants of these international basic parts have reached a scale larger than that of most host companies in our country. That is to say, when our country emphasizes the revitalization of basic parts, we must put it from the perspective of industrialization or marketization, that is, you are in the process of revitalization, you must achieve industrialization and economy, you do not mean that as a research project, I will achieve a goal, as if to achieve this, for example, this technical level, but if you can't achieve industrialization, can't achieve economy, you may be in this operation, you can't promote, that is to say, you say like this, The role of the entire equipment manufacturing industry or the revitalization of the main engine industry may be discounted.

Cai Weici: I very much agree that the revitalization and development of basic parts, in addition to the country's policy support and our research and development to carry out, enterprises to invest in the very important is to cultivate the market. Therefore, I would like to take this occasion to our host enterprises, including our president, including our Dalian Machine Tool Group, you also have to support the localization and independent innovation of the domestic basic parts industry, we all hope that the users of our host products will support the localization of our host products, I hope you can empathize, stand in the perspective of our basic parts factory, and also support their independent innovation and localization.

Moderator: Would you like Mr. Xiang? To what extent can it be supported?

Xiang Wenbo: There is no doubt about this, just now Chairman Cai said, if our domestic parts can be reached, we do not talk about reaching it, can be close to the world level, we will give priority to adoption.

Cai Weici: Equal priority.

Xiang Wenbo: Because this is not to say equal, but to be close to us, it will be preferred.

Moderator: Mr. Shao said, do you mean that we are far from the international level? Come, Mr. Shao, I'll give you a chance to speak, come.

Shaoyang: At present, we are in the technical transformation, these rounds of technical transformation is also a large number of domestic equipment, we use the domestic equipment supporting the bearings are our own production.

Moderator: So you are more proactive.

Shaoyang: is when I buy the equipment myself, the same similar machine tool is bought in this machine tool factory, for example, if it is said from the machine tool factory, it is chosen, many users choose to match foreign bearings, I went to this domestic machine tool factory to buy this equipment, we are equipped with our own bearings.

Moderator: Mr. Jiang, you can hear this outside the strings, you see that when we choose machine tools now, we are preferably domestic, when you choose bearings, why can't you choose domestic?

Jiang Huaisheng: If it can meet our requirements, I will actively adopt it.

Moderator: Is it just that the standard is a little bit worse and can't be used? Have you ever tried it?

Jiang Huaisheng: There is no problem with this, because the grade of our machine tool is high, medium and low.

Moderator: I can't stress this anymore, Mr. Shao said that it hurts self-esteem, and we are not low-end spokespersons.

Xiang Wenbo: Sometimes it's not that our OEMs have the final say, it's the customers who have the final say, for example, for its machine tools, I also very much want to use domestic things, but the customer doesn't buy it, for example, its performance can't meet the requirements, if you say that you because of a small bearing, resulting in a device worth millions of dollars, and can not meet its accuracy requirements, customers are not willing to pay for it, so this is also a dilemma for basic parts, its value is very low, the effect is great, and the consequences are very serious. So this customer he chooses very carefully.

Cai Weici: I want to say that I don't ask our OEMs to downgrade to use the basic parts of domestic independent innovation, for example, our Mr. Shao, the wind power bearings produced by his factory, he made an experimental device in the factory, put our independent innovation bearings into this experimental device to experiment, let the user take out the data to tell him, what is my life, what is my accuracy, so that the user can rest assured. It's not that we are unreasonable to ask our OEMs to use these things, that is, both sides should work hard, and OEMs should have such a willingness to support the independent innovation of basic parts, so the basic parts factory should prove that my performance meets your requirements through our experiments and innovations.

Specific measures: to improve the level of the four supporting products, the plan proposes to improve the technical level of the four supporting products such as large castings and forgings, basic components, processing aids, and special raw materials; To solve the problem, the quality and reliability of the basic parts are not high, and it has relied on imports for a long time.

Moderator: I know that in the industry, there is a professional word for the technical level of this equipment, called extreme manufacturing, which can particularly reflect the technical level of your equipment manufacturing industry, to put it in layman's terms, that is, it can be extremely large, such as a 10,000-ton hydraulic press, it can also be extremely small, so at present, for our domestic technical level, what kind of big can it be, what kind of products, how small can it be?

Cai Weici: For example, if you say it's big, our lathe, vertical lathe, has a rotation diameter of 5655 meters, which is not so big in the world. Let me talk about it again, one of the excavators in our mining equipment, this excavator has a bucket capacity of 55 cubic meters, and 55 cubic meters can be said that all these people in this room can be installed in it and can shake loudly, and the whole band can play in it.

Moderator: This is the world's first level.

Cai Weici: This is all the world's first.

Moderator: What about the little ones?

Cai Weici: The current production of integrated circuits is to make this kind of equipment for integrated circuit plate making, which is probably nanoscale, 90 nanometers.

Moderator: 90 nm.

Cai Weici: This extreme smallness is actually very high in terms of accuracy when encountering it. In addition, we have to bear, which is called to withstand extremely high pressure, extremely high temperature, and extremely harsh environment, which has put forward some challenges for our manufacturing requirements and process requirements.

Moderator: I see that there is a provision in this revitalization plan that is a reward measure for the first set.

Cai Weici: What does the first set refer to? It refers to the previous level of domestic use, this kind of requirement, whether it is the whole machine product or our basic parts have not applied such an experience and performance, so for the user, he can't let go of you, I don't know whether you are really good or fake, which is called a threshold for the first set. The contradiction of the first set is sharp in the huge value of the complete set of devices and host products, which are often millions, tens of millions or even hundreds of millions, so it is indeed for the user, he has to make a lot of determination, to be able to say that I buy your domestic or imported.

Moderator: The first set of encouragement measures we just talked about is also to encourage more enterprises to innovate independently and challenge the original technical level?

Cai Weici: The reason why the problem of the first set is so acute is that one does not know enough about the huge progress of the equipment manufacturing industry in the past few days, and the second is indeed us.

Moderator: There is still a lack of confidence.

Cai Weici: As a user, it creates a huge risk, based on the understanding that the international is always better than the domestic one, they would rather spend more money to buy imports.

Moderator: Then let me ask Mr. Xiang, do you have any technology that can be classified into the category of this first set?

Xiang Wenbo: We have too much of this.

Moderator: There are too many, have you encountered some troubles and difficulties like the one you just mentioned in the process of promotion?

Xiang Wenbo: That's a lot of trouble.

Moderator: Let me give you an example.

Xiang Wenbo: I'll give you an example, that is, we produced the pump off the line this time, and our concrete pump was mainly imported at that time, so what did we do in order to convince the customer that our product can meet his needs? *5656 you use my device first, you don't have to pay.

Host: Try it for free.

Xiang Wenbo: This is *5656, second, in order to ensure that you are not affected by your work, I will make a piece of equipment that you believe in and put it on the side, if my equipment is not good, immediately replace my equipment with this equipment, it will not affect your construction, this lease fee is paid by me. So we can understand the use of this first station in a sense, you say we talk about building houses. In fact, the proportion of equipment in the whole construction cost is very low, about a few percent, about 3%, but its impact on the construction quality is relative, and the consequences I just said are very serious, such as the building in the middle, and then the cement does not go, that may make the whole building, the entire cement equipment to be abolished, so the impact on its consequences is very heavy. So from his point of view, it makes sense to avoid risks, but it's true.

Host: But if it doesn't give you a chance, it won't prove your strength.

Xiang Wenbo: Yes, these *5656 crabs are very important, so we believe that the introduction of this first subsidy policy by the state is very important to support the independent innovation of enterprises.

Moderator: In the planning, what kind of measures can be taken to allow everyone to eat crabs *5656?

Xiang Wenbo: This plan has not yet been officially released to the society, and we have not yet seen the concept of quantity in the first subsidy policy, how to encourage it and how strong it is to encourage.

Interviewer: What kind of amount do you want to have?

Xiang Wenbo: I hope, of course, that it will be enough to dispel the concerns of this crab eater.

Qu Xianming: There is such a sentence in the industry, that is, if you give gold, it is better to give money than to policy, and to give policy is not as good as to the market, which is the concept of the market * The main thing is to solve the problem of the first set, because the first set can not be solved, the market can not be opened, of course, in addition to some of the quality and performance of our domestic products, there is also a confidence problem, a confidence problem for domestic equipment, if * 5656 units are not willing to use, when bidding, where you do not have this performance, If we haven't done it, we can't have this performance, and all our equipment will not be able to go to the market.

Moderator: The reality you mentioned reminds me of a fresh college graduate looking for a job, going to a workplace, and often he will ask you, do you have work experience? No, I'm sorry, I can't hire you. But if all the people don't give him work experience, the later expectation that he will have work experience and then apply for the job is completely empty words.

Jiang Huaisheng: Here I also want to say, can we change this first set to call the first set of batches, because for high-end CNC machine tools, often try a copy can not explain the problem, just like a certain car factory it produced a high-end car, just use one to try, can not say that the performance of the car is very stable, should give it a batch of tests, so this piece can not be changed to support the first set of such a concept?

Moderator: You see that in this plan, we still have a part of the funding to encourage such an innovation, so what are your suggestions or expectations for this part of the funding, such as in terms of quantity and use?

Jiang Huaisheng: Of course yes, *5656, the amount of this fund is enough to impress the user, can be willing to take this risk, and another is that this machine tool may also cause a relatively large risk in the process of use, the loss is relatively large for the user, is there can be this kind of insurance company, can be insured for the first set of batches, if it is indeed the first set of machine tools have quality problems, caused losses to the user, should be borne by the insurance company, In this way, the user's concerns in the case of using domestic equipment are dispelled.

Yang Lianchang: We have just said a lot of difficulty in promoting the first set, so the revitalization plan emphasizes a supporting project, which is to use it and use our domestic equipment through its construction, which is a successful experience in the implementation of major equipment independence in the equipment manufacturing industry for so many years. We promote our equipment from the perspective of relying on engineering, and the requirement is to use our equipment. Of course, there is also a certain proportion of this, let's say 70%. Shanghai including Shenyang it is also very strong in this regard, it requires the first set of equipment is also 10% of the subsidy, for this research and development unit it also has encouragement, it also has encouragement for the unit, some enterprises in Shenyang City research and development, if after the national organization, such as President Qu, Dean Cai, these users have identified this equipment, it is the first set in China, that will give a certain reward, it will be given a certain reward, it will be given a certain reward for its development. So through this, we hope to be able to bring our domestic equipment to the market.

Xu Ying ("21st Century Business Herald Reporter"): Just now everyone is talking about encouraging localization, but there is now an international community that everyone is calling for not engaging in the kind of trade protectionism in their own country, so what I want to ask is, how can this kind of be dealt with, that is, we vigorously develop our own domestic equipment at the same time, and then let us China not be limited to being criticized by the outside world as trade protectionism?

Cai Weici: In fact, other countries in the world are very concerned about and protect some of the lifeblood products of their equipment manufacturing industry. Now the high-end CNC system of developed countries has strengthened its control over our country, in the case of the rapid development of our CNC machine tools, and is not as willing to export to us as in the past, which shows what the problem, each country in these areas related to the economic lifeline, a certain degree of policy orientation, is normal, and trade protectionism has nothing to do with it.

Specific measures: relying on key projects in ten major fields to promote independent innovation; Establish a key compensation mechanism for the use of the first set of equipment. Solve the problem: the ability of independent innovation is weak, and it is difficult to promote and apply innovative products.

Moderator: In order to give everyone more confidence, we will next ask our president to describe the development prospects of the equipment manufacturing industry in the future, especially after we have such an industrial adjustment and revitalization plan, what can we do in three years with three years?

Cai Weici: *5656, China's equipment manufacturing industry will achieve a steady and rapid growth, this stable and fast I think its growth rate will be higher than the growth rate of the national GDP rate, but also higher than the average growth rate of our industry.

Second, our domestic, that is, the market share of domestic equipment will be further improved within three years, so the plan proposes that the domestic market share should reach about 70%, and at the same time our share in the international market should be improved, because this is China's comparative advantage.

Third, there must be many breakthroughs in independent innovation of our major technical equipment.

Fourth, there should be a significant improvement in the level of basic parts and basic supporting products.

Fifth, the enterprise group with a large organizational structure of our enterprise should be able to enhance its competitiveness after seizing the opportunity of resource optimization and reorganization.

* The latter one, I think there should be a good change in the way our industry develops.

In this case, I think that in these six areas, within three years, I think we will give our country a satisfactory answer.

Moderator: Okay, thank you for the president here to describe to us a development prospect of our equipment manufacturing industry after three years, many people say that the industrial adjustment and revitalization plan, like a starting gun, after this gunshot, our top ten industries have begun a new round of running and sprinting against time, we also want to know, in three years, you can predict that in the top ten industries, our equipment manufacturing industry will run in the first few places?

Xiang Wenbo: We should run *5656, because if we don't run *5656, others can't run *5656.

Moderator: You are the foundation and the guarantee, and you go back to what we mentioned earlier. Predict, President.

Cai Weici: I'll leave a little leeway, we'll definitely be in the *5656 phalanx.

Moderator: Thank you both for your prediction, I think our industrial adjustment and revitalization plan, to our equipment manufacturing industry sprint and run to provide speed, but also to provide endurance, in such a good opportunity, in our common efforts and good confidence of the company, I believe we will have a new breakthrough, we will have a better result.